Fatal Error
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First and the Last of Rev 1:17 - why in caps?
by Trotafox inreferring to the excellent "kitchen" witness scene in gregbetre's thread regarding jw's denying the deity of the christ, i do have one question..... .
rev 1:8; 17-18; 22:13 states that jesus christ is the alpha and the omega, the first and the last, and the beginning and the end.
i don't think it is true that all jw's will say that rev 1:17 refers to jehovah.
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Are WT and Awake! Becoming secret magizines
by Joseph_Muth inabout 4 years ago it became imposible for the non jw to subscripe to the magizines, without contact with a publisher.
you now have to have them brought to you.. it seems that the orangization is becoming more and more paranoid.
people are now being disfellowship for reading certain books.
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Unless you get in contact with your friendly local dub who is quite happy to mail copies out for the cost of postage without pestering you, cos he really wouldn't want to be responsible for another life lost to the Witchtower
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More Quotes (Golden Age)
by Fatal Error inhaving recently gotten my hands on some old golden age mags, here's a short list of amusing and/or damning quotes found within them.
i've chosen not to comment on them, merely emphasising what i thought most relevent, and to leave it up to you .
362 august 2, 1933. how to locate hypocrites.
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Having recently gotten my hands on some old Golden Age mags, here's a short list of amusing and/or damning quotes found within them. I've chosen not to comment on them, merely emphasising what I thought most relevent, and to leave it up to you
Vol. XIV - No. 362 August 2, 1933
How to locate Hypocrites
A man can give plenty of lip service to his church, lead the Sunday school class, be a pillar in his church, and yet he can be, and often is, like a devil incarnate! I know, because as a child I was farmed out to these superficial "Christians" and saw them take the mask off on week days. Appointees of the clergy are almost always unsuited by temperament, training or inclination to receive the grave responsibilities to which they are called.
The orphanage I attended is typical of all such institutions. An orphanage is a nightmare at any time, for the herding of little children into disciplinary camps fosters atrocities and grave injusticies. Orphanages may be necessary, but I sincerely doubt it; for the children cry out in their miseries, while nobody listens. "You can't believe a child", and the superintendents in charge are such "proven Christians"!
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We had with us at the orphanage a superintendent whose name was H.K. Anderson. How we loved him! He was fair and just. Patience was his middle name. He had a sense of humour, and we trusted him. But sometimes he didn't go to church. And he was even seen taking a glass of beer once! He was one of the few Christians that I have met in my time; but he was not fanatical about it, and that was too much for the clergy, who demanded his expulsion.
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Aluminium Vats for Beer
The United States Aluminium Company, at its plant at Maryville, Tennessee, has been working day and night getting out aluminium vats to replace oak barrels for beer. [...] A rapid increase in cancer cases, especially of those who like beer, may now be expected.
(p.697)
Vol. XIV - No. 363 August 16, 1933
It appears that the Catholic clergymen have no weapon of defence except a gag and a bludgeon. Every man who speaks the truth, which truth does not tingle the ears of the clergy, the Catholic clergy say should be gagged. Every one who publishes the truth contrary to their ideas of what is right the Catholic clergy say should be browbeaten, coerced and clubbed into submission. God and Christ Jesus never employed any such methods, and that of itself is most conclusive proof that men who resort to the gag and bludgeon method do not represent God and Christ. Such methods used to keep the people in ignorance and to blind them to the truth are the ones employed by Satan the Devil. (2 Corinthians 4:4) When a man, whether a clergyman or the editor of a newspaper, resorts to the gag and bludgeon method, whom then does he represent, God or the Devil? Judge ye!
(p.720)
Ok, I can't resist bolding the lot and making a quick comment Who will be the first to show this quote to their local elders or visiting JWs, just for the pleasure of hearing them say, "OOhh nooo, the light's gotten brighter now, we don't believe that any more!" Anyway, onwards..
Vol. XIV No. 365 September 13, 1933
Death in the Aluminium bucket
Twenty-two young people of New Orleans, placing implicit confidence in the widely published assertions of the Aluminium Trust, the American Medical Association, the Mellon Institute, and other like institutions, attended a picnic at Little Woods, where they all drank punch from an aluminium bucket.
According to the Scientific American, The Literary Digest, and other windbags that never learn anything about anything of real value to the people, they should have been able to drink this punch all right, and according to the Aluminium Trust the metal they swallowed should have been a help to them all. But the fact of the business is that they were all made deathly sick.
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Betting on Church Attendance
A country minister near Melbourne, Australia, noticed that in fair weather he managed to take in about $25 a week, but in case of rain many people remained at home and business was not so good. He now pays $1.25 per week to an insurance company to insure him against rain on Sunday morning. If it rains he gets $25 from the insurance company; if it doesn't rain he gets $25 from the congregation. If it rains after eleven o'clock, he gets $25 from both the insurance company and the congregation. Probably he makes a business of praying, not for the "early" rain, which gives him $25, but for the "latter" rain, which gives him $50.
(p789)
Again, I can't resist.. Sounds like the WT might want to seriously consider this course of action
Hello, up it pops again...World's Oldest Man Is Dead
Li Ching-Yun, at one time believed to have been born 256 years ago, but more recently calculated as 197 years of age, passed away in May, 1933. [...] Quite probably he was the world's oldest man. But a million years from now there will be millions that will then be a million years old or more; for most certainly millions now living will never see death.
(p.792)
Edited one final time to add: YAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY got the formatting sorted at last
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I sold my soul for lobster
by joannadandy inok so my parents big deal has always been while i may not go to meetings they are free to ask about my religious status, and invite me to meetings (i do not have to accept the invitation) as long as i live under their roof.
my parents other big deal is to go out to lunch after the sunday meeting.
in fact, they usually say "say, wanna come to the meeting tomorrow?
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Clearing your throat or coughing loudly whenever he is making an emphasized point usually drives them up the wall too
Edited by - fatal error on 30 July 2002 19:32:42
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I sold my soul for lobster
by joannadandy inok so my parents big deal has always been while i may not go to meetings they are free to ask about my religious status, and invite me to meetings (i do not have to accept the invitation) as long as i live under their roof.
my parents other big deal is to go out to lunch after the sunday meeting.
in fact, they usually say "say, wanna come to the meeting tomorrow?
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Integrity isn't edible, and even if it were, it wouldn't taste anywhere near as good as lobster
You could always sit in the front row and maintain a fixed disdainful stare on the speaker and try and put him off, keeps me amused each time...
[edited to correct one of THOSE DAMN SPEELING MISTAKES THAT JUST SEEM TO CREEP IN EVERYWHERE!]
Edited by - fatal error on 30 July 2002 19:29:51
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Appeal Letter 7-29-02
by silentlambs indraffenville congregation of jehovahs witnesses.
judicial committee elders of:.
murray congregation of jehovahs witnesses.
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Sure SYN.
The programme was shown the week-end before our Convention, and the letter read out that sunday before the program, as you no doubt know already. I spoke to a few witnesses about it afterwards, who on the whole were skeptical of the situation in general, not wanting to commit to accepting the possibility of peadophiles within their midsts, but neither condemning the idea and defending the Society either.. No meetings over the course of the next week, since the COnvention was on, but the feedback from the doors was that the subject wasn't coming up.
Then our first congregational meeting on thursday turnd out interesting: The service meeting was replaced by what could only be described as a rant against Bill, the media etc.. Slander, full-blown lies etc.. you name it, it was said from the platform. One point worth making was that only 50-odd people were attending, bearing in mind that this is a 100+ strong cong. Of those missing, whole families with young children and memebers of such families weren't attending, leaving mainly older witnesses, single men and women, and ministerial servants/elders. So at least the message didn't reach as many as they would have hoped..
One good sign was the MS sitting next to me with his head bowed throughout, shaking his head occasionally, before eventually walking out and leaving midway through said talk. Maybe he's here
Come last Sunday, we were still only just pushing to 60 in attendance, which of course includes visiting brothers and sisters, as we often have talks by respected speakers.
Panorama-induced? Hard to tell, but I can state for certain that the witnesses in my congregation are NOT all taking the Society's side, including some of those who were in attendance, and some others have said such things to me as "Well, maybe Jehovah is pointing these problems out to us, if anything has been hidden, those responsible will have to pay dearly, EVEN IF THEY SIT IN ANY POSITION OF RESPONSIBILITY" (emphasis mine) It was all well timed, coinciding with the showing of the programme, but it will be more interesting to see how things develop over the next month or so!
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Appeal Letter 7-29-02
by silentlambs indraffenville congregation of jehovahs witnesses.
judicial committee elders of:.
murray congregation of jehovahs witnesses.
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Slightly off-topic, but I didn't feel it deserved a new thread.. My cong seems to have misplaced over a third of our publishers (30+). Bearing in mind that the majority of us have already been on holiday, it coincides nicely with the Panorama programme
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Dearest D8TA
by ukjw 26 inahhhhh what a lovely man you are.... hiding there behind your 'scary' mask picture with your evil eyes and your attempts at sarcasm.
quite sad really.
i can smell the sour grapes from here.
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I think I may have literally pissed myself laughing!
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The Sheep Are Questioning on JWZone!
by SYN inwow!
never thought i'd see actual critical thought processes in action on jwzone, but as your loyal jwzone snoop, i've uncovered a thread where some "independent thinking" appears to be taking place about panorama!.
http://www.jwzone.org/forums/showthread.php?s=cac37b802df2166a49bdaf923bdb05bd&postid=114795#post114795.
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Have you checked the last two posts on that thread SYN? The poster responsible for that message is back on, and stating that the participants in the programme should not be considered as apostates
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NGO ? Please help!
by Bosho in.
i've only just joined but i would be grateful if you could give me some information on this ngo business.. i live in england, am completly ignorant and no nothing about the un (everything i learnt in school went in one ear and out the other as did much else i learnt!).
i would be grateful if someone could explain what ngo is exactly and how jw's were involved with it.. much appreciated.
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By the way. I take it it's not a legal requirement to join then?
It is if you want to be under their umbrella of protection... Make of that what you will